[IPAC-List] Measuring Fear of Heights
Howard Fortson
Howard at cps.ca.gov
Sat Jun 26 14:20:45 EDT 2010
I would think to be fair, they would need all the training that a bridge painter, or what ever classification, gets before they are expected to climb as well as becoming accustomed to climbing other structures. I don't think anyone is expected to do "the job" without training unless that is supported in your job analysis. If so maybe running a trainee level classification (helper) might be the ticket. I think that is where the rub will be.
On Jun 26, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Durovic, Jerry wrote:
> Kevin,
>
> Many years ago, my supervisor told me what he had to do to test for
> bridge painters in Philadelphia, NY. The painting task was easy, the
> ability to climb up to the top of the various bridges and paint the
> bridge at those heights was the issue. He said his test consisted of
> bringing the candidates to one of the bridges, asking them to climb up
> the bridge part-way, paint a big X with a large paint brush and a can of
> grey paint, and come down. His test administration issues included
> having to arrange for the fire department to be present to safely bring
> down any candidate who might freeze on the bridge, etc.; having the
> police department block off traffic and do crowd control around the test
> site, etc. He said that he always feared a local paper headline that
> would say "unemployed, father of five, plummets to death in the river
> taking a civil service test". My supervisor also said that in difficult
> economic times, many people would come to the test: some froze before
> they went up and withdrew, others started up and froze quickly and were
> safely brought down easily, while others might make it all the way up
> and then froze -- this posed the most difficult challenge.
>
> While I have never confronted this situation, and do not know if
> Philadelphia still tests for bridge painters; however, it is a
> fear-of-heights issue that was told to me by an experienced civil
> service examiner.
>
> In addition, in New York City my cousin was a union electrician that
> worked on new construction high-rise (skyscraper) buildings. He told me
> of the steel workers who are putting up the steelwork at incredible
> heights and walking around up there without safety harness, etc. Again,
> this was many years ago and I do not know what is done today.
>
> Somehow I do not think simulators will do the job; however, they might
> be a good pre-screen.
>
> Hope the preceding helps.
>
> Jerry Durovic, Ph.D.
> Chief Personnel Examiner
> Jerry.Durovic at cs.state.ny.us
> (518) 474-1863
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reindl, Kevin [mailto:KReindl at semprautilities.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 3:19 PM
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> Subject: [IPAC-List] Measuring Fear of Heights
>
> I thought this might be a good question to pose to the IPAC list, since
> I'm sure many of the firefighter selection experts out there have
> encountered this...
>
> Does anyone do any type of assessment/test that measures someone's fear
> of heights? We have been grappling with this for a while. We have some
> positions at a few of our companies that require employees to climb
> externally mounted stairs to the top of storage tanks (up to 200 feet).
> We've considered a pre-employment assessment where we simply ask
> candidates to actually perform this task. However, the concern for
> safety has always been a barrier.
>
> Any thoughts/advice/experiences would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Kevin Reindl
> Sr. People Research Advisor
> San Diego Gas & Electric
> Human Resources
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> San Diego, CA 92123-1530
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> Email: kreindl at semprautilities.com<mailto:kreindl at semprautilities.com>
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