[IPAC-List] Ideal PPT for FF

[Jeff Feuquay]

Sorry Joel, I agree, of course. My efffort at partially tongue-in- 
cheek was apparently not as obvious as I thought. The intended point  
was simply that it is too often convenient to avoid adverse impact by  
pretending there is some magical non-discriminatory point on a  
continuously predictive scale where enough is enough, regardless of  
whether more is actually better.
That said, we predict so darn little of the variance in job  
performance with traditional measures that we counting angels on  
pinheads... It's time to use the tools our research has produced and  
do our jobs way, way better. So, yes, I agree, but focus on endurance  
is incremental; we need sea change.

Jeff

On Mar 14, 2010, at 9:16 PM, Joel Wiesen <jwiesen at appliedpersonnelresearch.com 
 > wrote:


> Hi Jeff,

>

> Perhaps endurance should be considered as well as maximum performance,

> given the way FFs fight fires.  If focusing on max performance has max

> adverse impact, and if focusing on endurance has less adverse impact,

> then we should be particularly careful about what we choose to  

> measure.

>

> Any thoughts from PPT users?  Job analysts?  Exercise physiologists?

>

> Joel

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> Jeff Feuquay wrote:

>> Neither have I hit the current research, but I am aware of some of  

>> the legal issues. Still . . . are we saying that some level of fast/ 

>> strong is "good enough" rather then more of those being better? As  

>> in: Must have sufficient strength and speed to extract an  

>> unconscious victim from a burning builiding, including a single  

>> flight of stairs, prior to the victim exceeding medium-rare.  

>> Candidates may substitute one year experience for each degree of  

>> victim doneness, up to but not exceeding medium-well.

>> Ya know, I'm thinking I could care less the gender of the  

>> firefighter who shows up at my burning house, but I want the  

>> strongest, fastest one, with the best combination of judgment,  

>> agility and bravery. (and a number of other competencies we know  

>> are important)

>> Jeff

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>> On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Joel Wiesen <jwiesen at appliedpersonnelresearch.com 

>>  <mailto:jwiesen at appliedpersonnelresearch.com>> wrote:

>>    Perhaps an ideal physical performance test for firefighter would:

>>    - be safe

>>    - reflect job tasks

>>    - provide a basis for ranking applicants, and

>>    - not have undue adverse impact on women.

>>    What existing tests best approximate this ideal?

>>    Thanks.

>>    Joel

>>    --     Joel P. Wiesen, Ph.D., Director

>>    Applied Personnel Research

>>    62 Candlewood Road

>>    Scarsdale, NY 10583-6040

>>    (617) 244-8859

>>    http://appliedpersonnelresearch.com

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