[IPAC-List] Mistakes in selection
Michael McDaniel (WSF)
McDaniel at WorkSkillsFirst.com
Mon Nov 21 18:44:25 EST 2011
Dennis said that I had some faking stories. I found the link for some I
sent to TIP in 2000
http://www.siop.org/tip/backissues/tipapril00/4McDaniel.aspx
Best wishes,
Mike McDaniel
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Dennis Doverspike <
dennisdoverspike at gmail.com> wrote:
> And speaking of hiring mistakes. Of course the public relations problem for
> the public sector is not only why were these individuals hired, but why
> cant
> we get rid of them.
>
> The whole article is at:
>
>
> http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2011_0803sacked_t_punks_back_on_the_job/
>
> First few lines:
>
> The MBTA has been forced to rehire seven drivers and other key employees
> after they were fired for offenses ranging from dozing at the wheel due to
> drug use, child rape, and assaulting and making bizarre threats of violence
> against co-workers — after bureaucratic arbitrators overturned their
> dismissals on technicalities, a Herald review has found.
>
> If you are in the public sector, how do you explain this type of result at
> a
> time when the public sector is under attack.
>
> Dennis Doverspike
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 5:21 PM, Mark Hammer <Mark.Hammer at psc-cfp.gc.ca
> >wrote:
>
> > I was responding to a thread on another site, and it occurred to me that
> > I've never seen any research on "mistakes" in selection that examnes
> > such mistakes as subject matter. We discuss tests and other tools here
> > under the presumption that mistakes in selection are more likely when
> > suitable validated tools are not used or used properly, but I don't
> > think we look at those mistakes themselves very closely.
> >
> > And by "mistake", I don't mean someone who is simply not as strong a
> > performer as you'd hope for, but someone that makes you regret not
> > hiring a different person. What sorts of clusters are there? (e.g.,
> > nutbar/trouble? all hat no cattle? s**t disturber? not a team player?
> > not really interested in THIS job?) Does category of hiring mistake
> > made show any systematic relationship to kinds of tests/tools used, or
> > *not* used? What role do interviews play in generating or catching
> > mistakes? What role do referrals play? (a good friend received a strong
> > reference for someone from a trusted source in a similar high-powered
> > job to his, and the referral turned out to be a nightmare)
> >
> > How do managers come to the realization that they've made a hiring
> > mistake? What How long does it take them to decide that, what tips
> > them off, and how do they respond?
> >
> > Now, as fascinating as all that might be, and as excited as I am
> > thinking about it, I'll be the first to admit that there are some
> > serious confounds to untangle. Performance is easily confounded with
> > disengagement, and disengagement can be precipitated by actions of the
> > very manager who decides that hire was a mistake. There are also
> > mistakes that are out of the manager's control for the most part. So a
> > manager might be told "You must select from this recruitment pool", and
> > find the validly-assessed people in the pool are a poor fit for the
> > particular role and position they have to offer. I know my wife's
> > micro-agency has but 46 or so positions, including the CEO and
> > receptionist, so folks interested in upward mobility tend not to stick
> > around very long. Obviously few policies would permit the hiring
> > manager to ask point blank "Are you REALLY serious about sticking
> > around, or are you basically passing through?"
> >
> > But, failing all those sticky issues, I think there is something to
> > this. Has somebody already started looking at it?
> > Finally, I have to once again thank Ilene Gast for introducing me to the
> > phrase "30 year mistake" some time back (I believe it was SIOP 2000 in
> > New Orleans). We've all seen them. I want to know how they got there,
> > and how we recognize them.
> >
> > Mark Hammer
> > Ottawa
> >
> > >
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