[IPAC-List] Full List of Managerial KSAPs ?

Harry Brull harry at bcgconsultinggroup.com
Tue May 9 11:08:16 EDT 2017

The original definition of emotional intelligence was a very narrow concept involving the ability to recognize emotion still photographs of faces.
Then along comes Daniel Goleman and he expands it to mean just about everything – unbderstanding yourself, understanding other people, etc.

I’m definitely with Mike on this one.
Poppycock is the word here.
Harry Brull

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BCG Consulting Group
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From: IPAC-List [mailto:ipac-list-bounces at ipacweb.org] On Behalf Of Michael McDaniel (WSF)
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To: Richmond, Brandi <Brandi.Richmond at baltimorecity.gov>; ipac-list at ipacweb.org
Subject: Re: [IPAC-List] Full List of Managerial KSAPs ?

Given all the hype about EI, it is reasonable that many believe that EI is a useful construct. However, EI, as a psychological construct, is a load of horse manure. A good psychological construct should not be highly correlated with known and well-established constructs. The mixed model form of EI is almost completely redundant with the Big 5 (with an emphasis on emotional stability). The ability model form of EI is almost completely redundant with the Big 5 and cognitive ability.
With reference to the most commonly used ability model measure (MSCEIT), it is oddly scored. When scored more reasonably, it is a g measure.

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It is harmful to the credibility of our field to use bogus competencies.
Best wishes,

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:57 AM, Richmond, Brandi <Brandi.Richmond at baltimorecity.gov<mailto:Brandi.Richmond at baltimorecity.gov>> wrote:
Excellent!  Thanks for sharing; the only term I would add is Emotional Intelligence which is also referred to as EI.

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As sacrilegious as it seems, I’m fond of saying “No matter how you slice pizza, it’s still pizza.
Here’s a managerial model that’s worked well for me for 38 years.

Curmudgeon in Colorado (aka Harry Brull)

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Subject: Re: [IPAC-List] Full List of Managerial KSAPs ?

Just a quick thought. When I was looking into managerial competencies some years back, I found that different sources had very different approaches. They all had areas such as critical thinking, interpersonal, writing, problem solving, etc., but some divided the domain into 7 or 8 competencies and others had several hundred competencies. And of course, there were those who fell somewhere in between.

By the way, Aon consulting did a pretty interesting presentation at a MAPAC conference in 2008 on best practices in competency modelling. Maybe they have developed a model for managerial competencies.


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From: Joel Wiesen [mailto:jwiesen at appliedpersonnelresearch.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 1:57 PM
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Subject: [IPAC-List] Full List of Managerial KSAPs ?

Seeking a list of generic managerial KSAPs, reasonably current and exhaustive (intellectual, interpersonal, personality).  (O-Net was not


Any suggestions?




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