[IPAC-List] Turnover

Thu Aug 9 11:48:56 EDT 2018

Some suggestions or questions with regard to declinations:

1. What is the total time between posting the job and the offer? One issue
for the public sector, in general, is a long time lag between the initial
posting of the job and the offer.

2. Do people know the salary or salary range up front? We just had this
discussion on twitter. Today's job applicant wants to see salary and
benefit information up front. My experience with organizations is that many
are reluctant to discuss salary and benefits until fairly late in the
hiring process. A friend of mine who was recently hired in the public
sector was not told what the benefits would be until they reported for
their orientation, and they are still uncertain as to all of what their
benefit package entails, almost a year later. And, of course, are your
salaries competitive?

3. In addition to unemployment rates, which are a huge factor, I would
hypothesize that the Internet makes it easier to apply for multiple jobs in
a quick and easy fashion. It would be interesting to see if the average job
applicant is applying for more jobs at the same time then they did in the
past. And whether applying for more jobs results in more offers.

4. I believe that working in water reclamation, even in many professional
jobs, exposes an individual to working or environment conditions that most
of us are rarely exposed to and in many cases do not even consider. Do you
include some type of realistic job preview in the hiring process,
explaining what is involved in water reclamation? I would probably put a
realistic job preview right up front.

On turnover:

1. The general trend is that voluntary turnover is increasing, while the
percentage of turnover due to involuntary turnover seems to be decreasing
(not sure why the decrease in involuntary turnover). The major reason for
voluntary turnover remains salary. However, many organizations cannot or
will not do much about salary. So, that leaves those areas that
organizations can do something about.  Do you conduct a regular attitude or
engagement survey? Do you look at drivers of attitudes, engagement, and
intention to stay (and I will admit there are a large number of statistical
issues with driver analysis).

Dennis Doverspike

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 11:31 AM Demooy, Adele <DemooyA at mwrd.org> wrote:

> Thank you all for your comments.  In terms of declinations, we went from a
> low of three in 2011 and to date in 2018, we are at 40.  We are observing
> declinations across all job classifications….from high level managerial
> positions (Head Buyer)  to entry level (lab technician, accounting
> associate, skilled trades, even laborers).   We know that work is plentiful
> right now – but this trend is a significant change from what we have
> experienced in prior years.
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> Now we are contemplating what changes we may need to make to remain an
> employer of choice – for example, flex time and teleworking.
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> *From:* IPAC-List [mailto:ipac-list-bounces at ipacweb.org] *On Behalf Of *Lance
> Anderson
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> I agree with Rich that it’s probably the economy.
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> From the Bureau of Labor Statistic’s July report:
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> The unemployment rate for those without a high school diploma fell to 5.1
> percent in July, the lowest since the government began collecting data on
> such workers in 1992.
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> https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
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> Lance
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> *Lance Anderson, PhD*
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> *From:* IPAC-List [mailto:ipac-list-bounces at ipacweb.org
> <ipac-list-bounces at ipacweb.org>] *On Behalf Of *RICHARD F. TONOWSKI
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 9, 2018 10:27 AM
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> *Subject:* Re: [IPAC-List] Turnover
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> SHRM has been running articles on “ghosting:” new hires fail to show up,
> or they start work and then disappear.  They do not communicate their
> intentions to the employer.  These could be further indicators of an
> emerging trend of applicant disinterest in “less attractive” jobs.  Maybe
> this trend  is a consequence of the economy being close to full employment.
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> *From:* IPAC-List [mailto:ipac-list-bounces at ipacweb.org
> <ipac-list-bounces at ipacweb.org>] *On Behalf Of *Shekerjian, Rene (CS)
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> A quick note. NYS has seen a decrease in the number of applicants for
> certain exams in the past 3 or so years. The numbers show a spike around
> 2010, that I would attribute to the 2008 meltdown. The spike lasted until
> approx. 2016. The exams I have looked at were for the less attractive job
> titles.
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> René
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> René Shekerjian
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> *From:* Demooy, Adele [mailto:DemooyA at mwrd.org <DemooyA at mwrd.org>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2018 12:36 PM
> *To:* 'IPAC-List at ipacweb.org' <IPAC-List at ipacweb.org>
> *Subject:* [IPAC-List] Turnover
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> The Metropolitan Water Reclamation District of Greater Chicago has
> experienced a marked increase in the number of job offer declinations and
> turnover in the past five years.  As the same time we are experiencing
> smaller applicant pools for original entrance recruitments.  We’re
> interested in learning if other agencies are noticing a similar trend and
> if it has resulted in changes in your selection processes, employee
> benefits, etc.
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